Nobody started a thread so may as well have it here. Lots of roster shuffling and lots of competitive games as the last major tourney before JOs. How does this affect teams as they get one last look at each other?
Diablo is 3rd. 11 - 8 over chawp. (14u)
Patriot up 6 -1 at the half over stanford (14u)
12 - 7 Patriot over Stanford for 1st place (14u)
Great analysis! I can attest that no new girls with CHAWP. Just development. They are young. They really played well and surprised a lot of people out there. They played Patriot to one goal(honestly that game could have gone either way) and had to go against Diablo without much rest. No excuses though. That’s growth. Great games all in all. Diablo athletes and families were a class act.
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It’s OK. I’m not offended. He does get a little wild at times
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A very good analysis. If I understand correctly, Lamo’s #1 goalie will be at the worlds. If this is the case, they might struggle a bit.
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I heard they had a good goalie. She must be really good
Updated it with this info. Good catch
I think we need to reconsider the impact on the 16s compared to the 14s here. Yes, the 14s are affected too, but they have time to grow into their teams and build chemistry, they’re still developing. The 16s are in a completely different position. These are the girls actively being scouted for college right now.
Sure, you could argue that missing Worlds players opens the door for others to step up and get exposure and that’s true in theory. But let’s be honest: the scouts aren’t equally distributed across all pools and games.
They show up to the high-stakes pools, the top brackets, the competitive games. If your team is weakened and drops out of that tier, those replacement players aren’t getting seen by the people who matter. The opportunity only exists if the team is still in the right games.
The 14s have a runway to recover and adjust. The 16s don’t have that same luxury when recruiting decisions are happening right now.
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This hurts to read and I think you’re right.
Why can’t USA water polo get out of their own way!!!
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What an incredible weekend for girls’ water polo 14s! So many competitive games, exciting finishes, and great performances all around. It was a reminder of just how much talent is coming up through the age groups.
What were everyone’s favorite moments or most memorable games from the weekend? Any standout players, teams, or plays that really caught your attention? I’d love to hear what everyone enjoyed most.
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I was driving all over due to the boys games being elsewhere far away from Corona
I saw some on stream and some in person
I think it was really fun to see some of the new rosters which is certainly going to level the playing field especially from fourth place on down.
I think my favorite was watching the Dons play and Stanford finally getting a win over Diablo.
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Just be careful and keep an eye out. I’ve been in youth sports for nearly two decades and I have a high tolerance for every style. This is bad for this age group. But some love it.
Gotta be extra careful as a parent exposing them to this long term. You will find dissent here on this topic, but that doesn’t make you wrong.
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tempted to release the video. At one point I stopped filming the game and panned back to the coach given the outburst.
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So you always have the option to file a report with safe sport. The entire reason safe sport exist is for people to be able to file these sorts of complaints to protect the kids and allow them to do their investigation and interview people and find the facts. Video is one of the most important components of how safe sport makes their determination, and it can lead to at least a file in case things escalated from here or depending on what your evidence says, it can lead to the removal and protection of the kids.
I don’t know what it shows on your video or what happened, but I encourage you to make the best decision possible and live with no regrets by simply following your heart and gut. If this were a public school, for example, it would fall under mandated reporter rules, depending on the action and in general, allowing the system to work as intended is a smart thing.
Heck for all you know, there is already active files and you will just be adding onto it with your video. I do think that process is better than posting it publicly here and I’m sure the mods would agree.
I applaud you for bringing it up. If you see something, say something, but do so with SafeSport. I’m sure you’ll find plenty of support here for this approach because nobody wants people to feel silenced when it comes to the kids we entrust. These are 12 and 13yo girls not D1 college athletes for goodness sakes
Here is the official procedure copy and pasted
“To file a SafeSport report for water polo, call 833-5US-SAFE (587-7233) or submit an electronic report via the U.S. Center for SafeSport. For misconduct or rules violations, email the national governing body directly at report@usawaterpolo.org. If a minor is at risk, notify local law enforcement immediately.”
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No offense, but I don’t think anyone needs to be going after any coaches in this type of setting. There is nothing factual in any of these statements. Only opinion. I know of the man you are referring to and I’m not surprised. I am surprised you’ve been in the water polo community for 2 decades and haven’t seen or heard of him before. There is a reputation and a style for sure, but make no doubt about it, he produces D1 athletes. I won’t use his name out of respect. I don’t know the coach on a personal level but he is well known amongst many clubs and coaches. His style is not for everyone I agree, but to state something based on opinion in this forum and platform is wrong. If you want to file a grievance take it up with Safe Sport, not Waterpolo Exchange
Opinion? No, sir. These are facts. His words crossed the line and that’s why he was carded multiple times. That is why people are talking. Because common sense says otherwise.
Sharing the correct process in an abundance of caution is the only correct reply here. Full stop. No exceptions.
The original poster said they were about to share video, and I simply directed them to the appropriate reporting process. Not only fair, bur correct here and the correct forum.
The only thing offensive is the way he spoke on the pool deck to players and especially to refs. He doesn’t deserve respect. The Chawp coach deserves a lesson in manners, sportsmanship, and class.
There are facts about what was said and the poster who has video certainly has facts not opinion. It just depends on what was said to the refs, to the kids, etc.
Out of respect? Interesting choice of words. Would I report him for the lack of respect he showed the refs and the players? No. I’ve seen the toddler dance of coaches for far too long to be bothered by the clown show. Half the time he was wrong and the half he was right, he handled it poorly and without class. Poorly, but not worthy of anything other than a yellow or red card (which he deserved), but maybe a parent reading this can remind him the age of these girls and that he needs to treat refs with respect if he wants respect in the community
I am well aware of these coaches and their so called styles. I am glad he’s not my kids coach. But there’s not enough “there” because childish behavior can be ignored if he wants to embarrass himself. Now, if he talked that way about my own kids, then I would care. This coach is irrelevant to us same as all the toddler tantrum ones who haven’t figured it out in life yet.
My reply was to help a parent with this specific situation where she has video. Whether I know the person well or not has no bearing on how allegations should be handled. There are established SafeSport protocols specifically designed to investigate these matters that the crazycatlady wrote about fairly and determine what, if anything, occurred.
That is the process I encourage people to follow. Seems logical and the right thing to do. Certainly do not go posting videos imho. Waterpolo exchange is the perfect place to share the proper Safesport process I agree.
The good news is thanks to the people who follow these issues, there will be tons of eyeballs on them and video, and if any coach does cross any lines at a sanctioned event, then at least those people will know exactly what to do with it and can call out the behavior. Perhaps the refs can send a message by ensuring that any talking like that to the rest will get more than just a yellow card next time. Ejections control people like this for the future and he needs to be corrected for his own development as a coach and person. If anyone disagrees with that, I have a bridge for sale. Take the antics back to D1 with adults.
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You probably did not mean this sentence to sound the way it is but producing D1 athletes is not relevant to the abuse discussion. I would not want it to sound as a devil’s bargain.
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Pretty sure that’s exactly how it was meant to be heard. Some parents would allow anything so their kid could go “D1”… Speaking of D1 if you ever get a chance to go see Stanford or USC listen to how Tanner and Moon talk to their players. But if letting some guy pedaling a dream scream at your 13 and 14 yr old daughter is acceptable, that’s on you…
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