Evidence that some high schools exceed practice limits?
That was the assertion, so let’s hear the evidence. The tone seems to be that it is just a known fact, if it is then that would be a sanctionable event.
More super clubs would obviously be better for the sport, but why don’t we take the closed clubs down a notch or two while were are at it? Do you have any egregious examples in mind?
I’ve heard from many parents and players that many schools practice more than they should. I’ll name names if you want, but big ones in OC, for sure.
what’s the actual rule for high school sports? google says cifss has maximum of eighteen (18) hours of practice time per week and no more than four (4) hours in any single day. that seems about right for high school practices i have seen. are high schools really doing more than that?
Rule 504 limits practice to 18 hours/week and 4 hours/day, with a competition day counting as 3 hours.
The workaround, if available, is to have the team do “aquatics PE” daily or 2-3x/week depending on the schedule. Then the team could do swim conditioning for PE credit, which does not count as “practice” for CIF purposes.
you mean like starting a summer HS “camp” that is run by the club, that implicitly requires the HS club players to join, quietly opened to any club member but certainly not advertised or encouraged…
To my understanding, running a camp for the HS team during the summer (outside the season of sport) would not be a violation of the 18 hour/week rule under 504, but it is a way for a HS coach to ensure that HS players who may play for different clubs remain in contact with each other and the HS coaching staff. If the issue @cove mentions is that a club is running the camp, as opposed to a HS itself, I’m don’t think the analysis changes (even if said club is closely aligned with, but not exclusive to, a given HS, such that club athletes that play for a different HS are not actively encouraged to attend a camp that is open to them).
That said, CIF rules discussion might be better suited for a different thread? Seems to be a source of interest this week as we get started with HS ball.
The challenge that Socal Patriots will face is identifying which HS their top players will feed into. Without that, they will continue to lose talent to the private schools with their attached clubs.
Socal has always been a feeder into Foothill, and both orgs have benefitted from this relationship. Foothill is also an open school, so anyone can transfer in provided their home district releases them. That’s why the Socal/Foothill relationship has always worked.
Patriots is a feeder into Beckman. But Beckman is not an open school, even though it’s in the same school district as Foothill. Residents within the Tustin USD (TUSD) who don’t live in the Beckman school zone, likely can’t do an intra-district transfer. So there is no chance a family outside TUSD will be able to transfer in. I believe this is why Beckman/Patriots have struggled to convert their strong youth programs into a viable HS program.
With Foothill looking for a girls head coach, I think the play would be for the Beckman coach (who ran Patriots) to jump over to Foothill. That would give him an open high school with an amazing pool to feed from Socal Patriots. The girls he develops at the youth level will have a landing spot for everyone to continue.
If the Beckman coach stays at Beckman and Foothill hires a strong coach, they will be competing for the same talent and both HS teams will fall short - leading to departures for stronger private schools (and their clubs).
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That’s from the perspective of High School first. If you look at it from a club-first perspective it doesn’t matter what high school players play for. The best will rise to the top and get better together. Then go back to high school and learn other important skills like leadership and high school team building.
With a club that has the potential to be that big it doesn’t make sense to channel all that talent to one specific school. In my opinion that is. IMO, that kills the second and third level at both the club and the high school. Those kids need to have a pathway to the next level too.
IF you want to compete in Orange County both at the High School level and the club level, you need to try to funnel your talent to one high school and then be coached year round, by the same ‘group of coaches’ . This is what made Foothill HS, specially on the girls side, one of the most historically successful high schools in CIFSS. In return some of that enthusiasm 'to play at Foothill" was funneled down the youth ranks at SOCAL.
This is what makes Newport WP and Newport HS work so well, and it’s the only way you will be able to compete againts the privates
I think this is a very idealistic view and one that I would support. However, the sad reality is that the power schools draw the best talent and the clubs that don’t have a power school attached to it suffer. And these power schools are 100% reliant on strong coaching. Just look at the decline of Laguna Beach and rise of JSerra for girls.
A school legacy isn’t enough to keep/attract talent and thus their clubs suffer.