Del Mar hosted Mission, Newport, and Stanford 18u teams. Round robin scrimmage.
Any news on who did well in these?
Shores also hosted scrimmages @ Bishopâs with SoCal, CCU and Stanford.
All teams had their moments. Not as familiar with Stanford but they looked pretty solid. Very much of a teaching/coaching format with Del Mar, Mission and Newport weaving in a number of younger kids. Top level coaching amongst the collection of clubs. Fun to watch.
My observations from the Kap7 International tournament, granted I only stopped by youth games and the games at Beckman HS for 12/14 girls.
10u
Del Mar is running the 10u boys side. On 10u Girls Newport is by far above the rest, but San Clemente has the potential and the numbers to make a run. Donât sleep on Patriot who performed very well in the 12u Gold bracket.
12u Boys
Vanguard is good. Like. Good. Behind them thereâs 7-8 teams in the mix. If Vanguard has a bad semi final at JOâs itâll be up for grabs. La Jolla, Del Mar, Mission, Newport, Patriot are all in the mix.
14u Boys
Finally saw a full Patriot squad perform at their peak. From what we know from the Patriot Games 2 weeks ago they have one off game per tournament, but if they can limit the damage they can compete with, and beat, everyone. Del Mar is up there, so is CCU, CIU, Lamo, La Jolla and Greenwich.
12u Girls
From what Iâve seen the top is close, mostly between Patriot, Lamo and SB805. Iâd put my money on Patriot given what they have produced on the girls side the past couple of years but SB will be right with them.
14u Girls
Nobody is touching Patriot A. Nobody. Patriot B might even medal in platinum at JOs. They just have too many players with too much skill, experience and IQ.
I didnât get to see any 16u or 18u games so if anyone else has an update please post!
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Anyone catch frozen cup games? Looks like a few 14s girls playing up who looked good. 16s girls 680 and Diablo, Stanford possible front runners
The Kap7 16u Platinum Boys did not see a lot of daylight between the top 3 finishers (CIU, La Jolla and Greenwich).
La Jolla went to shootouts against all three teams they played yesterday - shootout results in (): OCWPC (3-1); Greenwich in semis (7-6 sudden death); before losing in the finals to CIU (3-5).
Trojan lost (7-9) to Greenwich to take fourth and was just a tick below those top 3. Common thread for top teams: stout defensive efforts across the board and (no bias, I swear) very good to excellent center play.
With all the other events going on, saw a mix of squads. The teams that finished well all had their A teams, but others like say, Del Mar (white) seemed like they played younger/less experienced teams here.
hereâs the link to the Frozen Cup results
Agree that it was nice to see Patriot 14u boys at their full capacity this weekend. They play a much better brand of team water polo than any of the other top teams from what we saw this weekend. Well-organized, well-coached, and always looking to make the extra pass. They absolutely dismantled CIU and, while clearly tired from back-to-back games, controlled most of the game vs. Del Mar. Despite arguably having more depth than Patriot, CIU and Del Mar have become overly reliant on offensive production from just 2-3 players, which opponents are figuring out and is a problem they will need to address if they want to stay at the top.
All 4 Norcal teams (Stanford, CCU, Lamo, and 680) came away with some solid wins on the weekend and will likely continue to improve between now and the summer. Donât sleep on Newport, who is young and improving with each outing, including an upset over SD Shores on the first day of the tournament and massive comeback and shootout loss to Lamo on Sunday.
Does anyone have a 18u recap for this weekends Kap7?
To create a baseline for the 16u & 18U, I took previous year JO ranking averaging the age group with the one below it (e.g., for 16U average of 2024 14U & 16U) and those are the results. This excludes the new âsuper teams.â
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Agree that Vanguard looks like the team to beat, and even the JO brackets for Vanguard look favorable. That JO semi-final in my way-too-early projections would be Vanguard versus CCU. That is not to shade CCU, but I think Vanguard takes that game.
The one team I think could give Vanguard a good fight is La Jolla United, especially when (if?) they drop down the attacker theyâve been hiding on their 13u team all season, and who two years ago was the unofficial 10u national MVP.
In connection with LJU, I was sad to see Patriot Coach Ivan get red carded in the first quarter during the Patriotâs game against LJU this weekend. I know this board often cheer for more red cards to be dished out, but at the club level there often is no assistant. A red card can mean a team forfeits, and I think referees should be slow to dish those out when there is obviously no assistant to take over.
The ref and event staff did scramble to find someone to sit on the Patriot bench and throw in counter balls, so it wasnât officially a forfeit. The video of the incident is here, queued up to the @6:55 mark so you can see the fowl, the call, the complaint which got the yellow card, and the subsequent pointing that got coach Ivan thrown off the deck along with the scramble afterwards to find anyone to sit on the Patriot bench.
Scratch what I wrote above about CCU versus Vanguard in the semi-final. That would be the quarter-finals. That is what I get for writing pre-coffee.
That is always tough. From the coaches angle it probably looked like a penalty, from the refs angle and the camera it looked like a bad shot with no contact. Pointing at the ref is questionable in my opinion for a red card, but he did go on an on about the no call a little long.
Yeah that certainly doesnât appear to be red card behavior there for sure â especially when youâre at a pool where you canât converse properly with the officials. The only way to communicate is to yell at them which appears more aggressive at times.
In my opinion we should have a system for sending video after the fact to the actual official after each game for their review. More transparency and communication after games would be helpful. If you sent this video to these officials, Iâd be willing to bet they would say the red card here is wrong.
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Yes, in futures I believe you can ask for review of brutalities so I assume you would expect the same review for a coaches red card.
| Brutalities: | |||||||||||||
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| The call will result in a penalty throw and a 4-minute exclusion. | |||||||||||||
| Further, if a player is called for a brutality, he or she will be out for the remainder of that game and the next game per USAWP rules. | |||||||||||||
| *If the same player receives another brutality in the same season, he or she will be out for the next 3 games. A 3rd brutality will result in being suspended for the remainder of the season including Super Finals. | |||||||||||||
| However, teams can appeal the call with video evidence. Video can be submitted to the FWPL committee. | |||||||||||||
| The committee can determine if the act of brutality was not called correctly by the official and the punishment can be removed or lessened. | |||||||||||||
looked like an ordinary before the shot, maybe even a 5 on one extreme, but maybe a no call was ok on the other extreme.
didnât look like red card worthy behavior from the coach
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Calls all looked fine to me
If you listen carefully coach said something after the goal like âthanks refâ or âthank the refâ that must have triggered the ref. One of the weaker red cards Iâve seen in awhile.
Iâm not saying the calls were bad. I think the call Coach Ivan didnât like was the exclusion called @7:13. The ball had been passed from the goalie. The Patriot player in the white #4 cap swam off after LJU #9, who stopped swimming to draw the foul. Felix (#4) stopped swimming and put both arms out, but the exclusion was called.
Coach Ivan was making the case to the referee that both of Felixâs arms were out of the water, he went on a bit long with his complaint and got the yellow card.
LJU scored on the power play and Coach Ivan indicated that he believed that goal was a gift, and that got him a red card.
The calls were what they were, and if youâve ever played against that team you know Felix often draws exactly these exclusions for which this time he was on the wrong end. I just think the referee shouldnât have been so quick with the red card.
K7 Intl is getting weaker and weaker on the girls side.
This year, both 12u and 14u Platinum divisions probably had just one top ten team each at best (Back Bay in 12U and 680 in 14U). A lot of top clubs are doing joint trainings, perhaps. And no, Patriot B in 14U are not in danger of getting a medal at JOs, regardless of your unbounded enthusiasm for all things Patriot 