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Upset Weekend + Rising Stars + Wolf Wigo!

I enjoyed Wolf’s interview. I support having an ordinary foul limit, just like basketball.

I wish Wolf was asked about the history of Kap7.

In an old thread here, @breckweiny shared an even older article about this.

Week 7 Predictions….. This should be interesting

Yes! And congrats on the Wolf episode - 600 views in two days.

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In the top 10? Not for long! Week 8 Preview + Two GREAT interviews

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I’m curious why you think Jack Kocur is the best high school coach in the country. I do not put him in the same league as Brett Ormsby. I don’t know when he started at Oaks, but it was around 12+ years ago. He won CIF once in DIII where they had a very fortunate division placement. They were runner up in D1 the next year, and that was as close as he got to an Open championship and that was 2017. Just curious why you hold him in such a high regard when it comes to the high school game.

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I took a quick glance at the Week 7 rankings from the episode and god it was awful… the worst I’ve seen…

How is Pacific at 9?!? How is CBU at 7? How are Stanford and Fordham still in the same tier?

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Come on, don’t let facts get in the way of their hyperbole and personal bias. Otherwise there would be no podcast. :rofl:

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Your ranking in the other thread seemed to disregard Pepperdine getting beaten easily by CBU, so not sure how that one was any better. I couldn’t tell if the commute remark was to imply it impacted play or just a fun fact.

His rankings will look much closer to the actual poll

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Very possible. And next week we will see that 6-16 be dynamic once again. Such parity makes it difficult, and the season great. Both could be showing bias, or not. Hard to tell. I personally like the boldness of WPW versus status quo giving Pepperdine benefit of the doubt when getting rocked, and then commenting on their commute. Csapo being out is a factor for their future.

What about CBU getting destroyed by UC Irvine who then went and lost to a D3 team? This isn’t predictions. His rankings are a current snapshot of the season. Things will change week to week.

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Csapo has only played one game for Pepperdine all season. Meanwhile NorCal pointed out that he was giving Pepperdine that ranking because of several quality wins, as well as playing close games against Stanford and Cal. All of those were played without Csapo. They have a pretty solid body of work without Csapo, so it seems like a well reasoned ranking to me.

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I don’t think it’s right to rank teams based off injuries. Results matter and results should be the No.1 determining factor.

I can assure you my rankings would look a lot different if I was biased. I try my best to look at the entire season, from day 1 on August 30 to Sunday October 12th. Pepperdine is still a team that blew out CBU 17-10 at the MPSF invite beat UCSB, beat LBSU, beat UCSD at UCSD, Princeton twice, and went toe to toe with No.2 Cal. Meanwhile, CBU is a team who’s gotten blown out by Princeton and is 1-2 against a weak UCI team that lost to a D3 team as RbPolo mentioned.

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The Pepperdine/Stanford game was not as close as being said here. They lost by 5, were down 6 with a minute to go, and down by 7 after the third. We are giving them credit for that being close? The defense of Pepperdine here is my point. And if CBU is so bad as the group here is saying, how are you still defending Pepperdine after just getting beat handily. Or do we say that 5 point loss when down 7 with a minute to go was another close loss like to Stanford?

Whether you think it’s right or not is fine, but it’s a reality in sport. We have seen college football playoff decisions made based on late season injuries. I totally get it may not be fair though, but those are multi million dollar ranking decisions based on injuries.

End of season playoff spots versus rankings are a different story. I recall FSU being ranked very highly in the weekly ranking and only missing the tournament due to injury. So I think it is wrong to compare.

Agree that Stanford vs Pepp wasn’t very close, I was at that game, which is why I only brought up Cal. Pepp played great against Cal and really had them on their toes at Spieker.

As for CBU, this is my honest take on them. I think they are a super motivated group that can really get up for certain matchups, particularly league matchups. An excellent start for them in WCC play and I think they can easily win that postseason tournament at Air Force, especially considering they played their earlier in the year. However, they clearly don’t approach every single same the same way and get fired up for certain matchups. For my rankings, I have to look at everything. That’s why I couldn’t put UCSB at No.6 despite them beating the No.6 team in the country two weeks in a row.

You realize the official rankings are not a criteria for who gets in to NCAA’s? Here is the template.

  1. MPSF
  2. MPSF
  3. MPSF
  4. Winner of WCC tournament
  5. Winner of MAWPC tournament
  6. Winner of Big West Tournament
  7. Winner of NWPC tournament
  8. The D2 winner of whatever league tournament that is.
    *4-7 spots will be determined at the end of the tournament season.

Fully aware. My point was that rankings in sport, I did not say water polo post season at all, are at times openly influenced based on injury. I never made any hint at rankings having anything to do with who gets into the NCAAs, but thanks for listing the criteria of who gets in.