2025-2026 12u Boys Club Season

At the Water Polo 12U level, the most important thing should be the athlete’s long-term development, confidence, and enjoyment of the sport—not trying to project who is physically ahead at an age where so much can still change.

At 12U, some kids are simply early developers, some are late developers, and many have not even begun to show what kind of athlete they may become over the next several years. Judging players too early can sometimes put unnecessary pressure on young athletes who should still be building fundamentals and learning to love competing.

A 12-year-old does not need to have everything figured out today. Many outstanding players do not fully emerge until 14U, 16U, or even later.

At 12U, helping kids fall in love with the sport can be one of the most valuable investments in their future development.

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Projecting maturation curve was not what I was getting at.

Another reason the talent pool seems down is due to the 4v4 and 5v5 horseshit usawp is making them play at 10u and 12u. Players simply don’t need certain pressure skills and develop IQ as much because the 4v4/5v5 game doesn’t need it.

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I think the other thing that is messing up 12u is that these kids started kindergarten the first year of covid.

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Lowering the bar for entry by making the game easier to digest for them seems like not a bad move? I have watched 10U games where kids are hanging on the lane lines. Put them in 6v6 on a full field and I can’t imagine that helps the numbers at 12U, though a lifeguard might get a workout.

Edit: the question if 10U rules hurts 12U development is an interesting one. I would be interested what your recommended changes are there.

Can the best 12U teams play 14U 6v6? Heck yeah, recent results from Dons and Mission shows they can place mid pack in Gold/D2 against 14 year olds. The bigger ball is a problem for them as their hands are smaller (even though lots of them fast and have decent game IQ they are smaller).

Covid is an interesting thing… not sure how that impacted these kids in kindergarten. Not sure how it impacts their sporting lives now. I think covid had less impact than increasing/widespread use of an ipad or other digital babysitter.

I will go on record as being a big fan of 4v4 and 5v5. A big problem I see in younger kids is in their inability to recognize where all of their teammates are. Tunnel vision is super common. Reducing the number of options to pass to and recognizing which teammates are open makes field awareness less overwhelming and speeds the development of game IQ.

As was noted, teams of more advanced development can and do play up. I don’t know that I’ve seen the larger ball be an issue, or at least not as much of an issue as an appropriate sized but overinflated Mikasa. If there is an issue it is for the younger goalies struggling to cover the bigger cage.

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I’m in favor of 4v4. 4v4 is about the touches and involvement. If 10s were playing with 6, there would be a kid or two that don’t get enough touches or action. They don’t swing the ball, usually one or two passes and a shot or a turnover.

Having said that, if the roster sizes remain the same for 4v4 as they do for 6v6, then that defeats the purpose of getting more touches..

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Some people on this forum probably figured out who I am in the water polo community, but at risk of outing myself I have to share my opinion.

I’ve been around since when 10u and 12u were 7v7, playing in a large pool, with age appropriate goals.

Those kids, even if there were less teams, became higher IQ and skilled players at the hs level than what I’m seeing now.

Here’s the issue:

By reducing the pool size AND reducing the players, kids have to process less information. This, in turn, creates a situation where, at ODP development, coaches had to teach a 3-3 setup, a 4-2 setup and what basic zones like M-drop and 4-5 drop look like.

The way 10u is played right now is this:

Give the ball to your second best player. Best player gets open (post up, drive, whatever) and shoots. Players don’t have to be super on-point with their spacing and positioning, because it doesn’t really matter. The purpose of 4v4 is more touches, but that’s realistically not what’s happening. Additionally, players do not have to understand releasing or pressure passing as well, since there’s no realistic threat of help-defense anywhere. On top of that, any counter into ballside drive (BASIC POLO), isn’t a realistic thing, because with 4 players it’s less likely one defender is in a bad position. The biggest success of the 4v4 system is that the best players have very good 1on1 skills like turning.

This results in 12u players having to learn a new system of setting up, with very little understanding of spacing and positioning. They’re used to giving the ball to the best (often biggest) player who then tries to 1on1 their defender. This doesn’t work in a team setting, most of the time.

Then, when coming to 14u, they need to learn another new system. They just get to learn this for 1-2 years and now they want to play varsity high school, but have a mediocre understanding of team ball, even though their turning and shooting is good.

The solution, imo, is simple. Platinum division polo should be 7v7 at ALL levels. If you want to lower the bar of entry for new players, play 4v4 and 5v5 in silver and gold!

Edit: I also want to add that the culmination of talent is a direct effect of this. Some clubs play up regularly, or practice 7v7. Those players understand the game better and tend to place higher against their peers. Parents from other clubs see this and then say ‘I must bring my kid there’.

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Those are some really great ideas, @PoloEnthusiast. Water polo is one of the oldest sports in the world, yet at times it still feels archaic in the way its age-group structure is organized. As the sport continues to evolve, it may be worth discussing whether the current development model truly serves young athletes in the best possible way. I’ve watched players move from 4v4 to 5v5 to 7v7, and each transition often leaves athletes looking a little lost in the water as they adjust to a completely different version of the game.

Since @Marco has great databases maybe he can present some name agnostic aggregate data around attrition from 10U through 14U (and maybe beyond)? Instagram is full of posts about how high attrition rates are for sports, but i doubt that data includes waterpolo. Club changes don’t count, to be part of the attrition statistic the name needs to be tracked and then removed.

My hypothesis: highest attrition happens at 10U where players/family are just testing the water. (This might not even show up in roster data from JOs). Once hooked they stay. If 10U is perceived as harder than it is now, less will stay.

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Membership data to that level of detail is not something USAWP will let me have.

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:rofl::rofl: Marco I laughed out loud

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@Polonewb you went 3 for four on your predictions. Nicely done.

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I was a bit surprised by Tsunami losing (and perhaps the bigger shock was SC winning by something other than shootout).

SC definitely played with heart.

LJU vs Dons B will be interesting, I hope LJU can at least keep it close.

Interesting day 1 at Patriot in the 12u division. Mission should take care of San Clemente (no knock to SC) and maybe an upset, LJU over Dons B. Mission wins the championship handily.

I agree. Mission wins both games they play handily. My question is who play mission the best tomorrow and who wins third.

I think La Jolla take Dons. And San Clemente take Dons also.

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Way more interesting in my opinion is SD Dons 12A and Vanguard 12A might face off in 14U Au at Kap7 for 3rd place overall tomorrow. They both took first in their brackets already which seems like a pretty significant achievement. Should be some good games! Both of those teams will have great placing at JOs.

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I don’t think there’s any question that the top 3 teams in 12s are Mission, Vanguard and Dons.

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I would include Greenwich among the top in 12u this season. They did beat Vanguard earlier this season.

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LJU is a different team with their new player. One player cannot make a team, but if you know wave mechanics, constructive interference of two waves can make a huge difference. LJU has entered the chat I think.

San Clemente has been working hard and played excellent defense against Mission. Mission looked confused.

The final between Mission and LJU could be a great game.